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Merbert wrote:I must have the White Sapote Curse. Nothing blooms ever. What am I doing wrong?

Merbert, I guess one needs to the have the often quoted patience of Moses, at least I have in my case. I planted my tree as a seedling, then started grafting on varietal wood in the spring of 2006, which got all burned off in the Jan 2007 arctic freeze, when I got down to 21F, preceded by 14 plus hours below 32F two nights, 8 plus hours on two nights. It burned off all wood less then 1/4 inch in diameter, which took all of the grafts. Since then, the tree has mature more, gotten a bit larger and now takes far more cold with less damage. It did take down to 23F this winter on one night, but it could of been worse, we had sunny days, warm ground, and know we were spared much damage because of it. I know I would of had had more damage, if not for the sunny days. Merbert, I think I planted this tree, that I started from seed, from the CRFG seed-bank, in around 2002, so it is like 10 years old.

Wasn't it just a few few years ago, that you planted your trees, or has more time slipped by then that. BayAreaTropical25 wrote:Also forgot to mention how impressed i am it survived 23 F.

That is really something! I wonder why white sapotes aren't more popular.

I think many here can answer this, they never became popular, because they were never put into commercial fruit production. The fruits just don't hold up to picking, shipping, storage and siting on a store shelf. They have been in CA for a hundred plus years. It it for most of the time, just a backyard tree, still is, but most don't know about.

Some of that has changed, as more production and sale has taken place in Central and NorCal recently. But one does have to baby them in the colder areas like here in the Central Valley.

When my seedling was small, it got all of its lateral limbs burned off every winter, until it got more mature and hardy, even though it as covered. I wonder at times, if it was more sensitive to the cold, because of its parents variety, seems like it came from a McDill, but could be wrong, to they were not label correctly. As a little whip of a kid, 28F used to burn off all lateral wood, 1/4 inch or smaller. Now 28F, does not even burn the tip growth. Now it takes down to the mid 20s with little damage, except for leaf drop and the most tender tip growth. Api Standard 650 11th Edition Free.

Axel wrote:How cool to finally hear from Tom! One thing Tom didn't mention is that poor soil will induce a white sapote to fruit much, much sooner. Not knowing what was going to be best for the trees, I planted two rows in my garden, one is where I have the deepest, most fertile soil. The other row is in almost pure sand. The ones in the poor sandy soil started bearing fruit when the trees were only 4 feet tall. Adobe Photoshop 7 Patch.

The ones in the deep soil shot up to 10-15 feet before starting to fruit and require agressive pruning. To take the variety factor out of the equation, I have a Santa Cruz tree in each grove, and the difference was crystal clear.

Good grief, that's it, Axel, my soil's too rich! I have the two largest white sapotes in the deepest, richest, loamy soil, with worms the size of a Dixon Ticonderoga pencil (remember those?). The grafted variety from Florida called Homestead has very large leaves and is growing rapidly, but never sets a single blossom. The other Florida variety is in a newly terraced bed and also taking off, again with no blossom set. Suebelle is sitting idly, not growing, nor doing much of anything, in less-than-ideal soil. I had just moved it this year from a site with the same rich deep loam, where it refused to do anything.

Back last August or September, I ordered a Cuccio and a couple of other named varieties from a grower in the Vista area who has yet to send me the trees. I've begged, pleaded, complained and ranted, and still the trees haven't arrived, and each time I receive a new excuse. If and when they ever get delivered, I'll be sure to plant them in lean soil. Cloudforest Expert Posts: 516 Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:15 pm Location: Vallejo, ca Climate Zone: USDA zone 9b/10a Sunset 17 I think fertile soil is my problem too, although I've only had my white sapote a year. I've kept it well fed and it's grown tremendously. And bloomed 4 times in a year. It's probably like Feijoa.